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Old 11-01-2003, 06:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Guys, Do any of you know if

Guys,

Do any of you know if WUR are interchangeable? Mine from a 1985 Euro GTSi QV is not exactly working well. (It got drowned, another story here). I opened it up, cleaned it out and it works but I have a hot start problem, obviously I must have slightly upset the setting. I can only start the engine when hot by hand-pressuring the sensor plate to get fuel delivered for a start.

New ones are difficult to come by and expensive.

Can other WUR from say Mercedes, Audi, porsche etc. be fitted?

Thanks for your insights.
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Old 11-01-2003, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default CTK, Please excuse me,

CTK,

Please excuse me, but I am not familiar with all of the Ferrari acronyms. What is the WUR?

Jeremy
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Old 11-01-2003, 06:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Jeremy, Sorry. WUR = Warm U

Jeremy,

Sorry. WUR = Warm Up Regulator, it is a K-Jet part for the fuel injection system. It controls the fuel pressure.
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Old 11-01-2003, 06:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Ah!!! Ok. It probably has a Bo

Ah!!! Ok. It probably has a Bosch part number on it. I would be that it can be cross referenced to another MFG.

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Old 11-01-2003, 08:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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http://www.ferrari-talk.com/discus/m...tml?1066507352

Link to where you can find the part. Found in the Resource Link area of the forum. You should be able to find the part in one of those sites over there, order it, and it should be priced reasonably.

Bosch part number for the Ferrari part is: 0 438 140 083

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Old 11-02-2003, 08:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Hi CTK, welcome aboard. Aft

Hi CTK, welcome aboard.

After you change a WUR or even if you successfuly rebuilt one, your Fuel Mixture will need to be checked and set if neccesary using an Exhaust Gas Analyzer.

Any time FM (fuel mixture) falls out of range (normal 0.8%-1.2% CO) either high or low it will make an engine difficult or immpossivble to start.

HTH's

Regards, JRV
ps: how did you end up solving your InterCooler problem?
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Old 11-03-2003, 03:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Default JRV, Thanks for the welcome

JRV,

Thanks for the welcome.

Still driving without the intercooler. Can't get anyone who wants to 'mess' with it. Ah Well! just have to drive off boost once in awhile.

BTW, have you any recommendations as to what the fuel system pressure should be?

In the fuel mixture dept. I've set my CO to 1.4%
Cold starts are fine but hot starts are a real pain. I've been thinking of adjusting the WUR by 'tapping the 'balance pin' in the WUR body. What do you think?

ctk
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Old 11-03-2003, 05:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Default Hi CTK, On the fuel system

Hi CTK,

On the fuel system pressure issue. If your old WUR still has cold & hot functions then pressures of 2.8 Bar cold warming up to 3.2-3.4 Bar warm, would be fine.

Yes you can tap on the pin, going in raises FP (leaner) and pulling out lowers FP (richer). When adjusting the WUR you'll need to monitor with FP Gauges.

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Old 11-03-2003, 08:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Default AWESOME! Like having your o

AWESOME!

Like having your own private knowledge store to draw on.

Question is, with my hot start problem on the WUR, should I lean it out or enrichen it?

Any thoughts appreciated.

ctk
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Old 11-07-2003, 02:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Default A Description of WUR by a chat

A Description of WUR by a chatter David who replied to my query. Hope this is useful for some of you out there. Thanks David.

K-Jetronic WUR Description

The warmup regulator is responsible for controlling the amount of fuel delivered to the engine during it's warm-up period. The pressure acting upon the top of the control plunger varies depending on the engine temperature and provides an effective method of enrichment.
The control pressure is tapped off from the primary pressure circuit in the metering head's lower chamber through a tiny restrictive hole which gives it the ability to differentiate between the two pressures. A flexible pipe then connects the control plunger gallery to the warm-up-regulator and returns back to the metering head to a connection next to the primary pressure regulator's transfer valve. This valve is in the circuit to close the fuel from the control circuit when the engine is off, avoiding the total loss of system pressure while the engine is stationary.

The internals of the warm-up-regulator are quite simple comprising an inlet and outlet port, a stainless steel shim, a bi-metalic heated strip and a spring.

The input to the warm-up-regulator flows into a small chamber in the top of the unit, its return is through a small drilling and back to the metering head. By controlling this return flow it will cause a change in pressure acting on the top of the control plunger. With a cold engine the flow must be fairly free giving it a lower pressure. This will allow a higher lift of the plunger which in turn will enrich the mixture under these conditions. The free flow is obtained by the internal bi-metalic strip exerting a downward pressure on the spring which decreases the pressure acting upon the shim, this lower force allows the fuel to flow almost uninterrupted.

As the bi-metalic strip is heated, by either it's heater element or natural heat soak from the engine, the downward pressure acting on the spring is gradually decreased, increasing the force of the spring, which in turn increases the control pressure.

Typical cold engine control pressure will be as low as 1.0 bar increasing over approx. 10 minutes to around 3.5 bar. Some warm-up-regulators have a vacuum connection that will sense a drop in vacuum and lower the control pressure during these acceleration periods.

The voltage supply to the regulator is from the fuel pump relay, because if the ignition was on without the engine running, all enrichment would be removed as the bi-metalic strip would be heated prematurely and the driver would not benefit from the cold engine enrichment.

The two pipes that connect to the warm-up-regulator have different sized 'banjo unions' to avoid them being connected incorrectly. The control pressures quoted are as an example only and reference should be made to the technical data as these pressures can be specific to the part number located on the unit's housing.
This unit will have a resistance value of approximately 20 to 26 Ohms.

So...by using the incorrect regulator, several things happen:

1)The mixture during the warm up phase may be too lean, or rich.

2)Driveability during warm-up may suffer.

3)Only fully warmed up, the volume of fuel may be lower (hence leaner) than the Euro regulator.

4)One can be deceived in thinking that the mixture is correct, as it will be possible to set the idle C.O. and HC levels to the correct Euro or USA specs.

However...if you have the control pressure graphs for both regulators, you may find that the differences are minor.

Hope this helps,
David

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