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Old 09-15-2005, 04:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
Jeff (Atheyg)
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Default Other cars have used 180'

Other cars have used 180' cranks such as Lotus in their Turbo V8 Esprit but they sound different so what gives Ferrari motors their unique sounds?

Clearly something designed from the beginning into the motors since Enzo started the Company but another motor mfg could have a very similar engine design but they are very different and don't have the same note.

Is it also in the transmission noises as well you get the combined Ferrari package sound?

Any ideas?
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Old 09-16-2005, 05:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Jeff - On that note (pardo

Jeff - On that note (pardon the pun), does your Boxer have loud gear whine from the gearbox? In my car, that seems to be the predominate sound, at least in the cabin - I think I need that Bell exhaust system soon.....
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Old 09-16-2005, 06:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Ted, I notice that in 5th g

Ted,

I notice that in 5th gear at say 80mph just shy of 3000RPM I have a high pitched transfer gear whine that I both love and hate.

If I drive the car for about an hour I love it. However on a longer trip it can get to be a bit much.
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Old 09-16-2005, 06:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Ted, I haven't noticed

Ted,

I haven't noticed much gear whine in the Boxer, a bit though at lower rpm as Drew stated but nothing pronounced as he stated, different gear oils could make a difference also, most gear noises are drowned out with exhaust noise and air induction from the carbs.
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Old 09-16-2005, 08:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Default The classic Ferrari 'sound

The classic Ferrari 'sound' comes from a number of interacting elements that line up n a synchronized chorous.

First comes the flat plane crankshaft. This gives each cylinder bank an even firing order LRLRLRLR whereas the typical american V8 has an off kilter firing order LRLLRLRR. The even firing order means that the intake and exhaust pulses are also synchronized and evenly spaced.

Next comes the headers. These headers are tuned for the power band of the engine, not too big, not too small, not too long not too short. The headers cause much of the low frequency rumble from these engines by setting up a standing wave pattern of pressure pulses.

Next come the intake system. Here the air path is essentialy straight (e.g. no turns) that enables the air to flow into the cylinders with minimal resistance. The straignt air flow and low resistance enables the velocity stacks to be tuned with the header to broaden the power band.

As the intake valve opens (with the still open exhaust valve) air begine to travel into the cylinder even before the piston starts dwonward from the negative pressure wave from the header. As the intake valve closes, there is considerable momentum in the air flow. When this reaches the closed intake valve, pressure builds until a positive pressure pulse runs up the intake and velocity stack finds air at atmosphereic pressure and sends a negative pressure wave back down. This negative pressure wave runs into the intake valve and sends a negative pressure wave back up the intake and VS, causing a subsequent positive pressure wave. much of the high frequency music of these engines comes directly from this process.

Just under the resonance point of the header there are an even number of intake cycles so that when the intake valve opens there is already positive pressure and momentum to take the fresh charge into the cylinder (also) even before the piston starts downward. Just above the resonance point of the header there is another even cycle count in the intake puls train. There are generally 8 or 10 cycles on the low intake resonance and 8 or 6 on the high RPM intake resonance. These broaden the powerband of the motor.

Finally, the throttle plates are positioined at the center of the intake path and at anything less than WOT damp out even order harmonics in the intake resonance so one hears the primary, 3rd order, 5th order,... of the air movements turned into that sonorous chorous. Even order harmonics end up sounding like an amplifier with cross over distortion, while odd order harmonics sound like an amplifier cliping the peak. Any music buff will tell you that odd is much better than even in sound quality.

The modern V8 engines also employ a 2 stage set of resonators. The air box covering the intake tracks is tuned such that at header resonance a positive pressure wave is above each intake velocity stack just before the intake valve opens. The great rush of air into the cyclinder reinforces this 'standing' wave resonance. These are known as helmholtz resonators.

At the end of this resonator is a smallish tube leading to the largish air filter box. The size and length of this tube damp out the resonator standing wave such that the mass air flow sensor gets a nice smooth flow of air and can thereby be used to give precise control to the FI system.

The difference betewwen Ferrari systems and other manufactures, is that Ferrari works to get the sizes, volumes, and resonance points to actually line up and sing. Whereas others just get them close enough to deliver the power.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Default And now you know. Nice writ

And now you know.

Nice write up Mitch.
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Old 09-16-2005, 04:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Default Great info Mitch Regards

Great info Mitch

Regards
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Old 09-19-2005, 01:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Default Wow - that is an impressive an

Wow - that is an impressive answer.

I am beginning to think that my injected car along with the OEM system is giving me a Lexus-like exhaust note (i.e none), so I am hearing everything but the engine inside. I do hear the engine running and it sounds great at higher rpms, but the whine from the gearbox is always there and is speed sensitive. I cannot recall how other injected Boxers I have been in sounded, so I think I need to get in one soon. I am running the dealer-supplied AGIP gear oil and do not relish changing it again, unless you guys think something like royal purple will make that much of a difference.
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Old 09-19-2005, 02:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Default Ted I heard a nice BBi 2 ye

Ted

I heard a nice BBi 2 years ago at the RM auction in Monterey with a Tubi, it was loud and sounded awesome going up the street to drive inside the auction area and had huge crowds following it. Might be the ticket.

My car has a stock exhaust but it's fairly loud and I would not want it any louder its just right, it does just have straight headers to the exhaust cans with no cats.
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Old 09-20-2005, 06:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Default Jeff, Thanks for the observ

Jeff,

Thanks for the observation. I don't have cats either, just the stock headers and four can system. I am thinking of the single can Bell or having a welder friend make up a four tube system over the Winter like Dick Fritz fabricates, which sounds good. I will look into the Tubi as well, but I recall that they were stupid expensive for what one got. It is not like I want something too loud, but what I have now is way to soft and I need something to drown out the gearbox whine.
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