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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
My 85' 308 QV when Hot and

My 85' 308 QV when Hot and sitting still is reluctant to go into first or second or any other gears. When moving and warm it shifts perfectly smooth. Cold it shifts fine still and moving.
Any ideas on what this could be. I replaced the fluid but that didn't seem to help and I redjusted the clutch different ways but that didn't help either.
Could it be a throw out bearing going out? Thanks.
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Hi Rich,

it sounds like a C


Hi Rich,

it sounds like a Clutch or Pilot Bearing issue.

has the clutch or pilot bearing been replaced?

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Well, when I adjusted the clut

Well, when I adjusted the clutch there was not too much adjustment left.
Are there any symptoms of pilot bearing that would add to this?
I do notice when I push the clutch to the floor I hear a slight noise from the back which sounds like a throw out bearing but that probably isn't the problem but I just thought I would add that.
Thanks for the info.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Rich,

A pilot bearing that


Rich,

A pilot bearing that was near seizing, or seized would cause a problem similar to what you describe, as the transmission input shaft would be turning, instead of being at a virtual standstill, when you are stationary.

In the same breath, a worn out clutch would cause similar problems...

Sounds like a clutch inspection is in order..

Regards,
David
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Hi,

My clutch has 1500 mile


Hi,

My clutch has 1500 miles on it, the car shifts smooth as silk, but I did go through the gears once at a standstill and noticed it was reluctant to go into 4th - no grinding, just resistance from the shift lever - works fine when moving - maybe my linkage is slightly out of adjustment?

Anthony
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Anthony,

My shifter will


Anthony,

My shifter will do the same hot or cold. When down shifting into second, or first while moving, or sometimes while sitting still, it's like I hit a wall or something. No grinding at all, it just won't go into gear. No other gears are affected, just first and second and only on the downshift. Upshifts are smooth as silk.

Any thoughts?


JL
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
One problem of note on the shi

One problem of note on the shift linkage on older cars is the trans-shift shaft metal/rubber (metalastic) bushing. When this particular bushing ages or softens due to oil, it is possible to trick the shifting mechanism if the shift handle is moved with speed & vigor.

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
JR,

Where is the bushing


JR,

Where is the bushing located? Is it something that one could change out relatively easy?
I use the word "easy" loosly.


JL
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Jeremy,

it's certianly


Jeremy,

it's certianly not easy even using the term loosely. It's located at the front edge of the sump housing....where the front shift rod & shift shaft connect.

The bushing should be inspected for deflection before considering replacement. Takes 2 people...first shifting into 4th/5th then testing in 1st/R...by carefully watching the rod go towads it's positions one can see if the bushing is maintaining it's integrity.

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Dave,

looks like it...and


Dave,

looks like it...and if you have a tool (custom made) and have done a few in the very tight confines of the car, then they are a piece of cake...
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For a first timer to press out the old bushing and press in the new one on the car I think would be prety challenging...surely doable...but having done quite a few I don't consider the job easy.


From looking at that particular tool in the photo I can't see how it works, without grabbing the shaft? My tool grabs the back of the shaft hole and pushes the old bushing out & the new one in.

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
The tool works quite asily. It

The tool works quite asily. It consists of a threaded rod, an asortment of washers and a sleeve. To remove the old one, run the threaded rod thru, add the washer that will fit inside the shaft itself and place a nut on it. On the other side, place the "reciever" sleeve, so that the old bushing has someplace to go, add the other washer and nut, tighten down, andit will be drawn out. Reverseing the procedeure installs the new bushing. It all works and fits in the tight confines of that area quite well.
HTH
Kermit
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
[i]Hi Rich,

it sounds like


Hi Rich,

it sounds like a Clutch or Pilot Bearing issue.

has the clutch or pilot bearing been replaced?

Regards, JRV




Rich,

A pilot bearing that was near seizing, or seized would cause a problem similar to what you describe, as the transmission input shaft would be turning, instead of being at a virtual standstill, when you are stationary.

In the same breath, a worn out clutch would cause similar problems...

Sounds like a clutch inspection is in order..

Regards,
David



I've had similar shifting problems, intermittently. My pilot bearing is being changed during my current major service. The bearing rotates, but with clicking. (The seal was removed in this picture):




And as long as we're at it, the clutch disc is being replaced. There's about 50% wear.

Barry
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Thanks Guys. I am going to ch

Thanks Guys. I am going to change everything while I am in there. I drove the car the other day and for the first 20 mins. everything was fine then I turned off the car and then when I got back and started up it was reluctant to go into gear. On the way home it shifted fine but would have given trouble at lights but I downshifted before I reached the light. Thanks for the pic. That is very helpful. I can take photos of the clutch change when I perform it. I have never changed a 308 clutch so I hope it will go well. Thanks Again.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Rich,

While you're at i


Rich,

While you're at it, check the main shaft, throw-out bearing and seals:



Barry
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Barry do you have any more clu

Barry do you have any more clutch pics? If so I would like to see them. You can send them to my email if you like. Thanks.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Hi Rich,

I just took those


Hi Rich,

I just took those two pictures when I was at Classic Coach earlier this week. They're doing a major service and clutch repair right now and should be finished next week. They photo-document their work and they'll give me floppy disks when they're done. I'll send you the clutch pictures as soon as I get them.

Barry
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Rich,

Here are the pictures


Rich,

Here are the pictures of my recent clutch rebuild. New pilot and throw-out bearings were installed. The main shaft had worn beyond specs where it had engaged the bad pilot bearing so I had that replaced too. While the clutch was open I replaced the clutch disk which had ~50% wear.

Now I know how this car shifted when it was new.

Barry





















 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Part of this service involved

Part of this service involved examination of the gearbox (all was fine) and installing a new seal:


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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Barry can you tell me what all

Barry can you tell me what all of the yellow substance is and what it is used for? Rust proofing? Thanks.
The pics are helpful. I am about to start my clutch soon. Thanks Again.
 
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