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Well, I finally took out my Bo

Well, I finally took out my Boxer, after 4 months. I charged the battery, and it started right up. Went about 5 miles, and the car started to loose power.....backfired when I stepped on the gas, with no increase in speed. In 2 more miles, it got worse.......barely running.

I stopped at a gas station, stopped the engine, and had coffee.......was else could I do?

Tow truck finally came, and I couldn't start the car..........engine cranked. Now, I am back at home.

Can't drive my TR.......due to the major service. Can't drive my Boxer.......for whatever reason. It would seem only logical that I should now get a THIRD Ferrari!!!!!!!!!
 
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Did you check the Fuel Pump Fu

Did you check the Fuel Pump Fuses?

It's not always something serious.

Regards, JRV
 
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Thanks JRV: I will check it o

Thanks JRV: I will check it out this weekend. The condition got worse as I drove.......so I suspect more than just a fuse. If a fuse goes, I would expect an instant response. Do fuses go slowly??????????
 
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Discussion Starter #4
Henry,

they don't blow,


Henry,

they don't blow, they overheat and loose contact. common on Boxers.

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter #5
also there are two fuel pump r

also there are two fuel pump relays that need to be checked...they may be the culprit...I know from personal experience
 
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Discussion Starter #6
Henryk,
That sucks bad. It s


Henryk,
That sucks bad. It seems like you have the worst luck with that car. It sounds like maybe it started to flood as you were driving it. Maybe a needle and seat problem in the carbs, did you get a lot of black smoke? I don't really know anything about the boxers ignition, or set up you have, but maybe the ignition box, msd or coil(s) went.
 
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Discussion Starter #7
JRV: I replaced both 16 Amp f

JRV: I replaced both 16 Amp fuses.......they where corroded. The left appeared blown, and the right one broke on removal......can't say if it was blown or not. I did crank over the car, with both fuses out, and it cranked just like before......hence, I am assuming no fuel. After replacing with good fuses, the car did start, but it doesn't quite sound right. I let it run for a few minutes, and noticed that the left fuse is very hot, while the right one is only warm.

I feel that one of the fuel pumps is not working properly.......unable to use the lift at this time to check them out.

Comments?
 
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Discussion Starter #8
Henryk, swap the two relays fo

Henryk, swap the two relays for the fuel pumps and see what ahppens..if the same fuse stays hot, it would indicate a short somewhere, maybe the fuel pump?
 
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Discussion Starter #9
Hi Henry,

replace the littl


Hi Henry,

replace the little fuse block and cut off the wire ends and solder on new terminals. Always has been alot of draw thru the fuses. Some of the large Gold Stereo Fuses would likely be a good upgrade if there is room between the other blocks, don't think there is though.

To check if both pumps are working just unplug the FP's safety switch on the R/S FD, then turn the key just on...the pumps will then run continuously. You can either reach underneath and feel them with your hand or crack a feed line on each FD for pressure.

Regards, JRV
 
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Discussion Starter #10
I hope to have the lift availa

I hope to have the lift available this weekend. I will replace end terminals, etc., as you suggest, JRV.

Coach: I do recall what you went through......WOW!!!! I will switch the relays, as you suggest, and see what happens. I will do this shortly.

BTW: I just ordered 3 fuel pumps; 2 for the Boxer, and 1 for the TR........just in case!!!!!!!
 
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Discussion Starter #11
Removing an engine to do a maj

Removing an engine to do a major service is not frustrating to me. Replacing fuel pumps, etc., is also not frustrating to me.

What REALLY burns me up about working on a Ferrari, is the following: I just wanted to remove the relay panel from the front wall of the passanger side. It is held in by 5 phillip head screws. I started to remove them, 3 where easy.......so far, so good. Then the other 2 are like "glued" in!!!!!!!! I can turn them very little each time.......VERY hard..... but can feel that I am stripping the Phillips head. Now I will have to grind them off......will do it later. I will replace all 5 with socket head bolts......hell with originality!!!!!!!!

Now THAT is what REALLY frustrates me. This should NOT have to happen.
 
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Discussion Starter #12
I second your comment Henry!

I second your comment Henry! Not to change the subject of this thread...but my TR needed new tail light sockets. Couldn't find any originals so I scrounged around till I found some G.M. sockets that fit and spliced them in. The tail light lenses are held in by these plastic screws....and several of them simply shattered. Very frustrating to fix....I agree with you in that if I can improve something even though it's not "original" I'm doing it.
 
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Discussion Starter #13
Henryk, I had a hell of a time

Henryk, I had a hell of a time with mine. First they replaced one fuel pump, then they replaced the check valve on the second fuel pump, then they had me rebuild the fuel distributors (you dont have those..you're lucky and are curburetted)then on and on until we stumbled on a relay for the fuel pumps that was bad. Once replaced,I was able to get real fuel to the culprit bank...but if the relay is bad or the fuel pump is bad, it would explain why the fuse is getting hot...drawing too much juice.

I agree, to hell with originality. In all honesty Ferraris are a lot of great engineering but some lousy pieces and parts. I am now doing some work on my daytona, and one of the first things I did is replace the digiplexes because they suck, then am replacing the battery and the lousy battery cables so that the hold down bracket on the car will actually fit. Needless to say, have to buy a new battery as well. I have the same problem with the hold down bracket on the Boxer...hard to find a battery of the same exact dimensions of the original, which will allow you to use the hold down bracket that was provided. Simple things like that make the enjoyment dim a bit. Give me something that works (like my MSD ignition on my pristine 5500 mile Boxer) now THAT works.
 
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Discussion Starter #14
Jeff: Welcome back. I hope y

Jeff: Welcome back. I hope your trip to Japan was enjoyable. "..plastic screws.."; isn't that something! It seems that most all my frustrations with Ferraris are related to things that you and I both described.

Coach: My Boxer is an 83 BBi.......I believe that yours is too. So, I do have the FDs.......problem free, so far. My digiplex still works well, but I should start preparing for the worse. What MSD unit works with the BBi?
 
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Discussion Starter #15
you have just about the same s

you have just about the same symptoms that I had...now you have the benefit of my experiences.

MSD 6420 hi perf. ignition with MSD 8202 coil and MSD 8920 Tach Adapter and MSD 8213 coil bracket. This is what my dealer printed on his invoice for me. I did not do the work myself...I had gotten fed up with working on the car and just wanted it to run. So I gave up and let FOA do it. They did well, so far as i can tell. Just drove the car one time since I had it back...snow, rain etc... in SC makes driving F cars difficult.

Good luck to you..let me know if I can provide further info,

Dealer charged me 350 for the unit (can get it much cheaper from C&C Racing, Petaluma, CA., the coil 49 and tach adapter 75, plus the proper labor.
 
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Discussion Starter #16
I installed the "engineles

I installed the "engineless" TR subframe back into the car.......put the wheels on, thus, I was then able to get the car off the lift.....to make room for the Boxer.

I started up the Boxer.........started right up, and appeared to run well. I moved it into the lift area. I checked the fuses, again, and like before, the left one was getting hot, while the right one was just warm.

Tomorrow I will work on the Boxer, and report back in the tech section.

Coach: Thanks for the information.
 
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Discussion Starter #17
Don’t know much about the Boxe

Don’t know much about the Boxer - Can tell you about a couple of failing fuel pumps – These were Facets found on my 72. Apparently there was a bad run of them a while back. Anyway the failure resulted in them drawing lots of current and slowly blowing the fuses. Sounds just like the Boxer situation. Replaced the Fuel pumps at different times. $100/each – there are 2 on a C4.

Problem went away.

I now have a spare Holley centrifugal pump with a regulator as a replacement unit if I have this problem again –

Aaron
 
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Discussion Starter #18
jrv makes a good point ... hey

jrv makes a good point ... heynrk, mine did that two summers ago and i cheched every thing fuel and spark related. the car sounded weak but not broken...maybe a failed plug?

i fiannally got the fuse block where it was the a bad fuse for one of the fuel pumps ...and wallop...back in the game!!
 
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