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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Great news for Big Brother and

Great news for Big Brother and the revenue generation system, it will pay for itself in no time.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
You know:

If everybody in t


You know:

If everybody in the country could be convinced to avoid speeding for one entire month and actually avoid speeding for that entire month, this whole revenue collecting trap would self destruct.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
I've got an owner's ma

I've got an owner's manual for one of them. In order to use them properly, the officer needs to know what he's doing, and an awful lot of them don't.

Art
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Art,
Does your owners manu


Art,
Does your owners manual tell what "bands' these guns use? I have used a Phantom detector/jammer for the last few years towing racecars across the country. It will jam on all of the current "bands" and laser also. Was wondering if they are using a new frequency.
Also, is there a new license required to operate these guns. Alway ask to see it if you get clocked. Our Jammer works great. No tickets ever, but I did get an alarm one time and got slowed down in time to pass the smokie as he was staring at the end of the radar gun like he didn't think it was working. He knew I was coming too fast, but got no speed reading on his gun.
I laughed for the next 50 miles. I think its fair to have an electronic countermeasures. so the game is played on level board, and they have to spend money to upgrade their equipment. We also coat our rear license plates with several coats of high gloss varathane to cause a bad glare in any traffic signal camera. This glare mades the license number unreadable in the picture. This also works great.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
This thread discredits this fo

This thread discredits this forum. The "Stalker" radar guns have been in use since at least 1990; hardly new technology...and the Phantom radar "jammer" has had no fewer than three major auto magazines test it and dismiss it as pure quackery.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
No Doubt,


anything that L


No Doubt,


anything that Levels the playing Field is fair!! Please try to keep in mind this is America and remember that tinsy weensy part of the Constitution that mentions "The Pursuit of Happiness" !

 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Bob:

The owner's manual


Bob:

The owner's manual is for the radar gun. I also have the maintenance manual for one of them also. Obtained from the California Highway Patrol in discovery on a speeding ticket by radar. It's interesting how they work. Contrary to popular belief, the officer has to ID the car that the radar is tracking, and that's where the problems come in, because at a distance, it's a difficult prospect.

Art
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Guys,
I've been speeding


Guys,
I've been speeding all my life. Since 1979 when I took my first trip with my ex-wife. We took a trip to CA, we drove 6600 miles in less than 2 weeks. I used nothing but a CB never got a ticket.

My first radar dectector was the big escort.With it you could run at any speed you wanted back then because there was no instant on radar.

In the 80's when the instant on came on I used the radar detector and the CB radio. I did get a ticket when I did not use the CB and just the Detector because they would get you with an instant on head shot(Around 1987), also with the airplane. So, the radar detector only let you know when you were geting a ticket.

As an example, I drove from New Orleans to Miami 965 miles in 11 hours. 1985 4th of July, we saw 33 Florida State troopers. That is also stopping every 200 miles for gas. I was driving a 1978 Mercury Zephur Z7 with a 302 V8.

In the 90's it seemed the truckers stop helping the cars cause they could not used radar detectors. So, I had to be by a truck and use ******* lingo to get the info on where the bears were.

Today with a V1, I have not used a CB in 4 years. the primary reason, there is so much traffic that it is nearly impossible not to detect a radar source. There are so many cars the cops are always turning them on.

My real theory on radar is they must see you before you see them to get a ticket. most of my friends who get tickets were not paying attention to openings in the trees, cars puting on the brakes in front of them or the cars entering the highway behind you.

MY 2 Cents,
Kelly
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Interesting post Kelly, the hi

Interesting post Kelly, the history of radar detectors and what works!

I think you need to think like a cop when driving fast as to where they would set traps, blind hills, overpasses, onramps and so forth, small towns you come to with instant slow speed limits are always a bust and revenue traps. Watch cars in front of you for brake lights, look at the guy speeding by ahead of you and keep him in your sight.

Some cops like to pace or use stop watches so your radar detector is useless in some instances.Watch your rearview mirror at night, cops seem to drive very straight and direct at steady speeds vs regular cars that weave all over the lanes.

I haven't had a radar detector in years as I think they give too many false signals, maybe they have improved and some actually work now.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
I agree with you 100%, you haa

I agree with you 100%, you haave to think like a cop and slow down or pay attention whre you think you would setup. But,I have not owned a radar detector in years until the V1.

I think it was about a 7 years stretch where I did not use one and just drove 75.

Kelly
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
[i]"anything that Levels t

"anything that Levels the playing Field is fair!! Please try to keep in mind this is America and remember that tinsy weensy part of the Constitution that mentions "The Pursuit of Happiness" !"

Indeed. A simple radio scanner, good radar detector such as a Passport or V1, and a watchful set of eyes can come close to leveling the playing field, too.

But fake products such as the Phantom radar "jammer" are as bad for a level driving/playing field as are such products as wind vanes in your air intake and titanium bearings in your muffler are to performance tips.

The only legal commercial jammers are against *laser*, not radar, and lasers can definitely be jammed (dull, dark car colors also give an edge against lasers).

Photo cops (mechanical/red light) can be defeated with a fresnel lense mounted over your license plate ($8 on eBay).

But no one is jamming radar guns...not legally...not commercially...and not for long if they are some hotshot engineering student, either.

Radar stealth is rather difficult for cars, too. Radar guns can already track *baseballs* and show the pitcher's speed to the crowd at the ballpark...and tracking a leather basball is far more difficult than a large metal car.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
No Doubt I must be very lucky.

No Doubt I must be very lucky. 300,000 miles across the country towing racecars mostly above the speed limit and no tickets. At least 300 hits from the "fake detector" in time to slow down and pass the cops. We pick up the instant on radar on the cars way in front of us. Guess its just all luck. And I thought it was the detector. Thanks no doubt for setting me straight.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
I didn't mean to discredit

I didn't mean to discredit this forum by starting this thread. When I rented a townhouse (at a discount) to a Wyoming HP officer last year, he told me that they were about to get the Stalker systems installed (as he'd been using in Missouri for some time). What I thought the forum members ought to know is that with this dual-band technology, "hiding" behind a large cross section semi truck is no longer a sure bet (as the Stalker can see both strongest and fastest signals). I personally don't use a radar detector. And on my way to the Wyoming Highway Patrol headquarters last week in Cheyenne (to file a complaint letter about their harassing driving) I came up over a railroad bridge at 82 or 83 (a $45 fine)...and there, sure enough, laying low in the median was one of the new WHP cars! The look on the cop's face was memorable, as I waved at him like the Prince of Wales, acknowledging him (he loved my 550 and hated me at the same time).

I'm sure he was looking at me in his mirror as I tapped the brakes and turned on my right blinker to let him know that I was already preparing to pull over. When I saw he wasn't coming...I hit it so I'd make the WHP HQ in time to show the car to "the boys" before 5pm! Now that my letter (outlining the illegal and harassing driving of three officers) has been read, I have to assume I'll be targeted for extra "by the book" measures. And that's the way it should be! I don't break the law when there's other people around (who have a right to feel like everyonen else on the highway is obeying the law with them, ensuring their public safety!) But man, when I'm alone in wide-open Wyoming.... it's 165 on the straights and 140 into corners! (and as far as evidence goes, I might just be making that up!)
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Another bi-frequency radar sys

Another bi-frequency radar system is the Golden Eagle (which I've now spotted in one Wyoming HP SUV). It displays "fast" and "slow" targets-- not strongest and fastest, per the Stalker, above.
LINK to company site (you have to be "authority" to read the operations manual).
http://www.kustomsignals.com/product_body2.asp?product_id=52&cat_id=8&strpagename=fixedmount
I'd say that the way to beat these systems is to use a good multi-band radar detector and slow down immediately if you get a strong alert (and slow down in a pack if you can; as the Golden Eagle, for example, can only display three targets (and with only two of those being shown--top-to-bottom-- as 'fast' and 'slow'). If the action is occuring BEHIND three lead cars, then there's no way the system can discriminate any further. This would apply to rallies, when a group is cruising fast together (within safe limits of course). The first three cars lead at legal speed and the rest accelerate and slow down behind them. When the three lead cars see a cop, they tap their brakes, alerting those behind.

Wow, nothing like being a free American, describing driving a pack of Ferraris as an exercise in counter-signals and information warfare. Shades of "Little Sister" and THE EDGE OF HEAVEN!
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Just got back from two weeks t

Just got back from two weeks traveling by car from Paris, to Brussels, to Amsterdam, to Berlin to Vienna to Munich and back to Paris. Not a single police car the whole trip, no accidents, people driving at reasonable sppeds and PULLING OVER to let you pass. What is wrong with our system here? I think the HP system is out of control and is being used only to generate revenue. Accident rates in Europe are no higher than here. What a waste of resources when it could be used for airport and other security.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
"What is wrong with our sy

"What is wrong with our system here?"

A) people don't use their rear view mirrors, so they don't see trouble brewing from behind
B) people don't respect the "pass on the right, drive on the left" laws that are on the books in ?38? states
C) people think that they have the right to impeed other drivers for whatever reason
D) people can get a license to drive without ever having to demonstrate car control

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D) cell phones and cup holders
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Is car insurance mandatory in

Is car insurance mandatory in other countries, say like France, Italy, Germany, etc.? I was just curious if there is a link.
 
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