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JRV,
Surely a repeated questi


JRV,
Surely a repeated question (in that case, can you indicate me a previous thread):
What should be looked at during a PPI for a 1977 308 GTB? Any common problem areas or big-ticket items to look for?
Thanks.
 
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Unless the car has been well m

Unless the car has been well maintained the list could go on forever.

I see lots of horrible tunes, lousy carb rebuilds, bad Distribs, plug wires & shocks old enough to vote, etc.

The car needs to be looked at by a hardcase (asshole) like me that's on your side and throughly evaluated from stem to stern as they say.

Assume $25K is top money for a near perfect car and deduct accordingly for issues.

I just sold a 77 that needed carpets and a dash light dimmer switch & tires...that's it...with reciepts going back 15 yrs...no smoke, no noises, no stories...$22K.

If you have specific questions ask away, but any old car is too complicated to give canned answers for imo.
 
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JR,
Thanks for the answer. In


JR,
Thanks for the answer. In fact, I am looking at a garage queen: 7700 miles total, less than 1200 since 81!
The guy drives the car for few minutes every 2 weeks. All records are there (1st and only onwer) and a 30k was performed last year (less than 300 miles ago).
Of course I need to see the car 1st and as you advise choose an "asshole" for the PPI...
The broker is asking $35K! Quite a lot, even compared to the CPI "excellent" condition.
But, let's see the car 1st, I guess...
 
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Arnaud,

Hmmmm...check the 3


Arnaud,

Hmmmm...check the 30K reciepts to see if they replaced "ALL" the seals, fuel filter, tensioner bearings. A 30K that truly addressed hidden issues should have cost around $5K. Check to see if wipers work, AC, Radiator Fans.

I have a 2 owner 77 that I serviced for 15 yrs with only 10K miles that went into frequent service last Jan. when the 2nd owner bought it. I've had a long string of nagging problems pop up routinely from this new frequent use. Such as Rad Fan Bearings siezing from dried out lube, Wipers so slow they were useless, AC expansion Valve sticking closed requireing replacement (and Dryer) fuel hoses cracking from inside out, heater valves plugged from the inside, etc.

Putting this garage queen back into daily service has been far from trouble free or cheap. So a heads up is probably in order here. Many of the problems I never anticipated becase the car "looked" brand new from the outside, but was suffering from lack of use on the inside.
 
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Arnaud,
I purchased a similar


Arnaud,
I purchased a similar "garage queen" 78 308 GTS with 15k miles, and beautiful cosmetics. It needed the 30k and new coolant hoses and fuel hoses (check that fuel filler hose, many forget that one). Mine ended up with very few problems from the lack of use, just some fiddling with the heater valves and vent diverters as I recall. I also got rid of the points and went with the Crane system (mechanic recommendation).

I think storage conditions make all the difference. This one was in a heated garage as part of a collection and started/driven monthly.

I would say that if the 30k had all the hoses replaced, and there are no current issues, the car would definitely be worth low 30's. But regardless, be prepared for things to crop up as JRV said. This is an OLD car.

Hope you get it, sounds really nice.
 
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Any recommandations as far as

Any recommandations as far as a PPI technician between Philadelphia and New York?

I want to have someone who has extensive experience on older ferrari (pre-80), not the new kid on the block who just know how to read the conputer plug into the 360s...

What is the experience with Wide World of Cars, Miller, Stables, Algar Champions MotorsCars...

JR,any harcase person over there that you may know and recommend.

Thanks in advance
 
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Wide World of Cars, -- I belie

Wide World of Cars, -- I believe these are the guys that service & restore Mr. Glickenhaus collection, like his P4..they have an older experienced staff

Miller, -- no personel knowledge of their staff

Stables, -- never heard of them

Algar -- I buy many parts from Lee & staff, best Factory parts suppliers in the US hands down...no personel knowledge about their Techs, but I assume they are older, more experienced than many.

Champions -- name doesn't ring a bell

MotorsCars... -- responsive, helpful parts dept., they have one good Lambo Tech, Alex or Alan I believe...not sure if they are all that familiar with older Ferraris..
 
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